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Recent issues

27 August 2012
The Great Marquess and the Welsh Mountaineer

22 August 2012
Llangollen weekend programme - report by George Jones
Farewell Virgin, Hello First
Number 9's last run (for this year)
DRS Open Day 18 August - pictures by Richard Fleckney
Freight views
Working Timetables online
Timetable troubles
North Wales Jubilees
Chasing the A4, 12 August - with John Myers
Thomas gets Gold

20 August 2012
The Welsh Dragon - 18 August

13 August 2012
60009 rides again, 12 August
Four days of locomotive pictures - by Stavros Lainas
Marine visitor
Basingtoke to Buxton via Middlewich
Driving Van Trailer Training
Mystery structure identified
Out on the 'Long Drag' - report by David Parry
 Manchester Jubilees
 Day Out with Thomas
 Consultation or imposition?
 Looking back: A weekend in Anglesey - with Mark Youdan

09 August 2012
On the Welshpool and Llanfair - pictures by Martin Evans
The Holyhead View - with M. Lloyd Davies
Penrhyn Railway news - report by Stephen Hughes
 Cambrian Coast in yellow

06 August 2012

Push-Pull training starts
Brush replaces Gresley - 5 August
Virgin on Anglesey - pictures by Steve Morris
The end of Virgin Trains?
The Welsh Mountaineer 31 July

02 August 2012

Prestatyn Progress - report by Dave Sallery
Compass Tours to Holyhead
175 002 repaired
60s Gala at Llangollen - report by Chris Jones-Bridger
On the Parliamentary - report by George Jones
Crewe 1995 - pictures by Peter Hanson
Four-car Voyager
Shrewsbury spruced up - report by George Jones
Curzon Park Footbridge, Chester

Forthcoming events

This list may be out of date if you are reading an archived page. For the current list visit our Calendar.

September 2012

31 August, 1 - 2 September  Llangollen Railway Autumn Steam Gala

Friday 7 September  Clwyd Railway Circle  Glyn Jones  “John Summers & Sons Ltd” A look at the Steelworks at Shotton from its opening in 1896 to the closure of the heavy end in 1980. The talk includes footage of the iron ore trains from Bidston.

Thursday 13 September Llandudno and Conwy Valley Railway Society Keith Jones with a double-barrelled show of 'The History of Penmaenmawr Quarry & its rail system' followed by 'Building and running miniature steam locomotives'

Monday 17 September RCTS Chester North Staffordshire from the mid 1960s to the Early 1990s By Max Birchenough.

Saturday 22 September Llangollen Railway Diesel Day

Wednesday Sept 26 September. Ffestiniog Railway Society Cambrian Heritage Railways. H.Gallagher & R.Williams.

Thursday 27 September LCGB North West John Owen "Vintage US Steam in Cuba"

Thursday 27 September Merseyside Railway History Group Tom Heavyside: Narrow Gauge Tracks

Saturday 29 September, Railway Ramblers club. Guided Walk from Tryfan Junction to Talysarn via Rhostryfan, Bryngwyn, Y Fron and Nantlle on or adjacent to the Welsh Highland and Nantlle railway trackbeds. For further details by post a reply to Chris Parker's message of 23/06/12 on the messages board of

October 2012

Friday 5 October    Clwyd Railway Circle    Les Nixon “55 Years of Railway Photography (part 1)” The acclaimed railway photographer and entertaining speaker will treat us to an evening of nostalgia, including pre 1968 steam, foreign, modern traction and some preservation. The accent is on the unusual.

Thursday 11 October  Llandudno and Conwy Valley Railway Society John Barden Davies tells us “How railways made North Wales a Tourism destination”

Friday 12 October Altrincham Electric Railway Society "From Roade to York" colour slides of steam and modern traction at home and overseas from 1963 to the present day by Robin Patrick.

Monday 15 October RCTS Chester Steam Classes that failed to make Preservation; Powerpoint presentation By John Cowlishaw Using Edgar Richards Photographs.

Thursday 18 October Merseyside Railway History Group Gordon Davies:   American Wanderings (note, not the last Thursday due, to redecoration of the hall)

Wednesday 24 October Ffestiniog Railway Society    Railways and Tramways around Blaenau Ffestiniog.   D.Southern. (Note: not the last Wednesday this month.)

Thursday 25 October LCGB North West Tom Heavyside "B R in the North West"

November 2012

Friday 2 November    Clwyd Railway Circle  Dave Southern “Chester to Pwllheli” The slide show will follow a journey from Chester to Pwllheli via Oswestry. There will be slides of each of the lines we pass on the journey, based on the early 1960's.

Thursday 8 November  Llandudno and Conwy Valley Railway Society AGM followed a look at “The Llandudno Transport Festival over the Years” (Guest Speaker)

Friday 9 November  Altrincham Electric Railway Society "30 Years of Steam Photography" a colour slide presentation by Phil Taylor.

Monday 19 November RCTS Chester – Conway and Llandudno Junction in B.R Days by Larry Davies.

Thursday 22 November LCGB North West Norman Matthews "Steam in New Zealand"

Wednesday 28 November  Ffestiniog Railway Society My life with trains. B.Bushell.

Thursday 29 November Merseyside Railway History Group Andrew Scott:  Around the world with 80 trains.

December 2012

Friday 7 December    Clwyd Railway Circle   Members Night & Christmas Celebration.  Members are invited to give a 15/20 minute presentation of their choice (any format). This will be interrupted by festive treats (all high calories).  Members must book their slot with David Jones no later than 20 November.

Thursday 13 December  Llandudno and Conwy Valley Railway Society Christmas Social helped along by members Alex Cowan confirming to us that “Trainspotting was an education” and Larry Davies taking us back to “1962 – a year of change”

Thursday 13 December Merseyside Railway History Group Angus Tilston:  Film & Social evening

Friday 14 December  Altrincham Electric Railway Society "Steam Saved from the Scrapyard" a colour slide presentation by Tom Heavyside.

Thursday 13 December  LCGB North West Les Nixon "55 Years of Railway Photography – Part Two"

Monday 17 December RCTS Chester Members Slide/Digital Images – 30 Slides or artefacts of your Choice

January 2013
Friday 4 January   Clwyd Railway Circle   Pete Gray “Welsh Highland Railway”  Our speaker for the night is the Safety & Development Manager of the WHR; previous to this, he was the Construction Manager from 2006-2010. Pete will be talking about his experiences during this time and the organization that is needed to keep the show on the road.

Thursday 10 January Llandudno and Conwy Valley Railway Society Speaker to be confirmed

Friday 11 January  Altrincham Electric Railway Society "Transport around Manchester from 1750" a colour slide presentation by Chris Makepeace.

Thursday 17 January LCGB North West Keith Naylor "Isle of Wight Railways"

Monday 21 January RCTS Chester Branch A.G.M. followed By British slides between 1983 & 2010 By Alan Donaldson.

Thursday 31 January Merseyside Railway History Group Geoff Coward:  Northeast China Steam 2002
February 2013

Friday 1 February   Clwyd Railway Circle   Gordon Davies “American Wanderings 2, the Great Plains Drifter” - Recollections of Gordon’s trip in 2008, covering the largest open cast mine in Wyoming plus the world’s largest marshalling yard.

Friday 8 February  Altrincham Electric Railway Society "The Lynton & Barnstaple Railway" a digital presentation by Bob Barnard.

Thursday 14 February Llandudno and Conwy Valley Railway Society Speaker to be confirmed

Monday 18 February RCTS Chester The Northern Hub. A Talk By Duncan Law, Senior Programme Development Manager, Network Rail.

Thursday 21 February LCGB North West Mike Taylor "Preston and North"

Thursday 28 February Merseyside Railway History Group Dave Southern:  Rails to Blaenau Ffestiniog

March 2013

Friday 1 March    Clwyd Railway Circle   The Committee & Larry Davies.  AGM followed by the talk “60 years ago – Diamond days” After the formality is over, we look forward to the talk by one of our favourite speakers.           

Friday 8 March  Altrincham Electric Railway Society "The ICI Hopper Trains" a colour slide presentation by Brian Arnold.

Thursday 14 March Llandudno and Conwy Valley Railway Society Speaker to be confirmed

Monday 18 March RCTS Chester B.R in the early 1980’s By Tom Heavyside.

Thursday 21 March LCGB North West Tony Harrison "The Dragon's Last Roar"

Thursday 28 March Merseyside Railway History Group AGM:  Members Slides

April 2013

Friday 5 April   Clwyd Railway Circle   Michael Murphy 'Liverpool Overhead Railway' To finish off the season, a highly recommended speaker known for his light-hearted style of presentation. The talk will be followed by film footage of the railway in its heyday.

Thursday 11 April Llandudno and Conwy Valley Railway Society Speaker to be confirmed

Friday 12 April  Altrincham Electric Railway Society "Current Developments on Metrolink" a digital presentation by Tony Williams, Manchester Area Officer, Light Rail Transit Association.

Monday 15 April RCTS Chester Even Further Down Under: New Zealand In 2011 & 2012 By Geoff Morris.

Thursday 18 April LCGB North West John Sloane 'Steam Sheds and Diesel Depots'

Thursday 25 April Merseyside Railway History Group Richard Kells : Quiz and informal evening

May 2013

Thursday 9 May Llandudno and Conwy Valley Railway Society Speaker to be confirmed

Thursday 16 May LCGB North West AGM and Members/Visitors Slides & Digital Photos.

67 002 on the Driving Van Trailer Driver Training run paid an unusual visit to bay platform 2 at Llandudno Junction on 28 August when driver Dave Trains requested an stop for inspection after a fault was discovered at Bangor. Picture by Peter Lloyd.

Autumn Steam Gala,  Llangollen Railway, 31 August and 1-2 September.
Picture Assortment

Colas Rail 66 849 on train 6J37, Carlisle - Chirk logs, Wednesday 22 August, between Rise Hill Tunnel and Dent on the Settle-Carlisle line (Ian Pilkington).

Further to our earlier item on 'Jubilee' class locos on the North Wales Coast (22 August) here's one in colour: 45742 Connaught at Bangor on 15 August 1959. Picture by Denis Bates.

Roger Carvell writes: 'I would agree that the Jubilee class was frequent on the coast. I saw many and had a lethargic ride behind one to Holyhead in 1965 when the class was well past its best.

The 9Fs were almost daily between 1964-7 when I did my spotting,
mainly on freight or permanent way work, from either Birkenhead or Speke Junction.

'The "Flying Pig" Ivatt 2-6-0s were indeed almost unknown, despite
their numbers in the Stoke area. But on 9 July 1966 I recorded 43007
on Flint troughs with an up return special, the only Ivatt 4MT I ever saw
on the North Wales Coast. That day I also logged Jubilee 45647 Sturdee, on the Leeds to Llandudno summer Saturday working.'

The vessel Atlantis, seen off Barkby Beach, Prestatyn, on 12 August, working on the East-West Interconnector, a cable which will connect the Irish power system to the electricity grid in Britain with a capacity of 500 Megawatts. See the project website for more detail. Picture by Dave Sallery.

The 09:45 Llandudno - Manchester calls at Rhyl on 21 August (Roly High). Timetable changes from 14 September will alter some of the workings on the Llandudno - Manchester axis. This train will continue as before, but the present 08:45 from Llandudno will start from Llandudno Junction and the extra morning short workings between Llandudno and Llandudno Junction will cease, among various other changes.

Direct Rail Services Gresty Bridge depot, as seen from a passing train during a signal stop on 29 August, with some of the company's remarkable collection of traction on view. Twelve locomotives appear in the picture, of Classes 20, 37, 47, 57 and 66, including both the 'Northern Belle' liveried locos 47 832 and 47 790. 37 194 and 57 002 are on the nearest track, and the 66 is 66 302, with (we think) 37 425 behind.

The Driving Van Trailer training train, 5Z51, in Platform 1 at Llandudno Junction on 28 August. After an interruption due to locomotive availability problems this train is running again Mondays-Fridays (see times in our 13 August issue) in the lead-up to the introduction of push-pull working on the Cardiff express, notionally from 17 September, although as far as we know the necessary Mk3 Coaches are not yet ready after refurbishment. The back-up plan to allow the train to reverse at Crewe to serve Wrexhm, as promised, is to use the existing coaches, which are not wired for use with a DVT, with a loco each end. Picture by Peter Lloyd.

Two more years for Wylfa

BBC News reports that Wylfa nuclear power station (above, picture by M.Lloyd Davies) will be able to produce electricity for another two years after it was given permission to move fuel.

The station already had a licence to generate power, but the remaining usable fuel was in Reactor 2 closed-down which had to be closed down, and eill be moved to Reactor 1. Fuel elements of this type are no longer manufactured; Wylfa is the only 'Magnox' power station still generating electricity, following the closure of Oldbury in Gloucestershire in February. The other nuclear stations in operation in the UK are of the Pressurised Water or Advanced Gas-cooled type.

The extra income from Wylfa and Oldbury - which closed in February after generating electricity for four years longer than originally scheduled - is so far estimated to be worth around £600m. 'Wylfa's continued generation is excellent news and will deliver significant additional revenue to support our clean-up mission,' says Brian Burnett, the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority's head of programme for Magnox.

Now Wylfa can continue generating electricity until the fuel runs out or September 2014, whichever is the sooner. The station is due to close after that date and plans for a replacement, known as 'Wylfa B' are on hold until a company can be found that is willing to operate it; last month it was announced the Areva [not Arriva!]group and China Guangdong Nuclear Power Corporation (CGNPC) group were to bid for the Horizon project, which includes Wylfa B.

Llangollen Railway Classic Transport 25/26 August

The 'Classic Transport Weekend' at the Llangollen Railway on 25/26 August featured an intensive train service with two steam and one diesel locomotives plus the heritage Wickham railcar, as well as a host of road vehicles. Above, 2-8-0 3802 runs round its train at Llangollen. Picture by Richard Putley.

Thanks to the weather forecast attendance was slow on Saturday but improved on Sunday which turned out to be one of the warmest days of this miserable summer so far. Above, 3802 again, arriving at Carrog.

'Black 5' 44806 was also on duty, seen at Glyndyfrdwy (picture by Richard Putley) with a replica(?) headboard for the 'Scottish Rail Tour' jointly run by the Stephenson Locomotive Society and the Railway Correspondence and Travel Society. This impressive affair ran over a whole week in June 1962;  the excellent Six Bells Junction website tells us that it was hauled by a sister 'Black 5' loco, 44978, as well as, at various times, twenty other steam engines including the various preserved Scottish locos which were in running order at the time.

Passenger's view of Class 31 D5580 at Berwyn (Richard Putley).

The Classic Road Transport activities were centred at Glyndyfrdwy station with the vehicles gathered in the field behind platform 2. (George Jones). The programme listed some 50 assorted cars, buses and motor bikes from the vintage era, but, in the event, others came as late entrants over both Saturday and Sunday.

Buses from the former North Wales and Cheshire operator Crosville, as well as from Chester, Barrow in Furness, North Western, Southport, Midland Red, Bournemouth and Greater Manchester joined the contingent from the North West Museum of Road Transport to put on a show of some variety, their owners travelling from North Wales, Lancashire, Cheshire, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Manchester, Merseyside and Birmingham. Above, Crosville Leyland Olympian  DOG 104 (GFM 104X) dates from the latter days of Crosville when it was a subsidiary of the National Bus Company (George Jones).

The entrants from the North West Museum of Road Transport in St Helens offered a half-hourly free bus service between Glyndyfrdwy and Corwen to provide a road run along the A5 and a view of the Llangollen Railway's line extension beyond Carrog. Above, ECW-bodied Bristol VRT DVL 435 (RMA 435Y) stands at Carrog with its destination blind set for Crosville route D94 Wrexham - Barmouth which was the 1960s replacement for the railway and survives today as route 94.

Most popular was the open top Leyland PD2 type, formerly No.201 of Lancaster Corporation, and the weather proved suitable for the 'al fresco' journey on both days, other journeys being by Leyland National single decker No.1 from Widnes ...

... and Chester No.99, a newly-restored Dennis Dominator, plus the double deckers of the former Crosville fleet. Pictures by George Jones.

Supplementing these were the two Crosville L-type single deckers of 1950s vintage (owned by John Oates,  Chairman of the Mid-Cheshire Rail Users Association)  as examples of how things used to be on local bus services. Above, SLB 178 (LFM 759) dates from 1950. Picture by Richard Putley.

The collection of cars featured many former British makes with Triumph, Austin, Morris, Rover, Vauxhall and Jaguar being presented.

Moorgate to Carrog - report by George Jones

The occasion of the Classic Transport weekend saw the reintroduction to service of a suburban compartment coach after a major restoration effort by Llangollen Railway volunteers.

The coach, No.E43012, is one of three suburban coaches at Llangollen which the heritage railway used in the early 80s, but which have been out of use for several years. Unlike the other two, which have separate compartments, the restored vehicle has the compartments connected by a corridor and includes the option for 1st class/2nd second seating and centrally located toilets. It was built at Doncaster in 1955 and used in the Eastern Region on services out of London, including the trains which took the 'widened lines' under of Kings Cross station and to and from Moorgate, latterly hauled by Class 31 diesels.

Restoration of the coach has been carried out over the past twelve months at the Railway's Pentrefelin Carriage works by members of the Llangollen Suburban Restoration Group and has seen internal restoration to each of the compartments all fitted with new upholstery, refurbishment of the external body work and overhaul of the running gear. The coach has been out-shopped in a cheery livery described as 'Outer London Suburban Red' and made a welcome addition when marshalled in the "Elizabethan" train set.

The restored coach made a great impression with visitors to the weekend event when passengers were keen to sample the luxury of First Class travel and pay a supplement to travel in it. The work involved in returning this vehicle to traffic is a great credit to the volunteers who put in many hours of effort to complete the project. The coach is again  in use during the  Autumn Steam Gala on  31 August/1-2 September.

Bank Quay Scenes - report by Martin Evans

Scenes at and from Warrington Bank Quay station between 11:30 and 12:30 Wednesday 22 August. Above, 66 585 leaves Arpley Yard with northbound empty hoppers.

60 065 runs under Bank Quay station with coal empties returning to Liverpool Bulk Terminal.

Freightliner 70 003 runs through Platform 4 with imported coal from Ellesmere Port.

Pacer unit 142 061 waits at Bank Quay station on a Liverpool Lime Street service.

Pendolino 390 032 City of Birmingham on a northbound service. The  Virgin livery will soon be obsolete, or so we thought, although the new contract with FirstGroup was not signed on the planned day thanks to a last-minute llegal challenge by Virgin.

Prestatyn renewed - pictures by Dave Sallery

The newly-built station building at Prestatyn opened for business over the weekend on 18-19 August. The road bridge that crosses the station has been repainted, and a new footbridge built from which the pictures were taken.

A few details still to finish, but quite an accurate replica, subject to modern requirements, of the 1880s London and North Western Railway structure that was there before. In this view it looks almost like an architect's impression than the real thing!

The Mersey Moorlander - report by Stephen Hughes

Anyone living in Northwest Wales wishing to travel on a railtour - with any form of traction - will generally have to get up ridiculously early to drive to (for example) Crewe or face the expense of one or two nights away depending on the location: last summer I travelled on the 'Dorset Coast Express' combining it with the opportunity to see 'Pentangle' at the Royal Festival Hall.

This year I was pleased to find that the timings of Compass Tours 'Mersey Moorlander', originating in Liverpool, revealed that it was possible to pick up the train at Wigan North Western. The train promised a northbound run over the Settle & Carlisle and a southbound run down the West Coast Main LIne. with steam on the circular route from Preston via the pretty East Lancs line to Clitheroe and Hellifield.

Thus on 30 July I arrived at Bangor to catch the 06:02 'WAG Express', which itself arrived five minutes early whilst I was still in the car park, (that never happened with a 57), and even though there was a right time departure, we were 5 minutes early again at the Junction. I had a smart 5-minute connection at Chester for a Manchester bound 175, which was well filled, and having been deposited at Warrington there was a 9 minute wait for a Glasgow bound Pendolino for the short hop to Wigan - arriving in under two hours from Bangor, not bad, I thought given that there were two changes.

The 'Mersey Moorlander' arrived within ten minutes with 47 760 in charge and 47 798 Prince William  at the rear (two 47's required because of the reversal at Liverpool Lime Street). The steam loco was due to take over at Preston; I was aware that the previous week the train had been A4 hauled and suspected that this day would bring a  Black 5, and sure enough 45305 was waiting with a support coach at the south end of Preston station - this suited me fine, there is nothing like some authenticity!

Whilst the loco swap took place I was able to grab some decent coffee, I was mildly surprised to find that both 47's had been left behind,  45305 was entrusted with the 12 coach train unassisted.

I hadn't been over the S&C since 2003 (the last steam railtour that
originated in Bangor I believe) and I must admit to thinking that it was a
mistake to have left it so long, as the line is always impressive, and of
course there are plenty of railtour opportunities these days. 45305 was
handled well, particularly on the climb out of Preston through Lostock Hall
and restarting from a signal stop outside Hellifield, when an unfortunately
timed shower caused adhesion problems and there was some slipping as the '5' struggled on the greasy rails with the heavy train and a 1 in 100 (approx.) gradient.

The journey kept to time, and these timings allowed a stay in Carlisle of
about three hours. I decided to watch 45305 take the stock to Kingmoor for servicing, but this entailed a wait of about 40 minutes whilst five
freights passed through the station, one of which - the Carlisle - Chirk
logs stopped long enough for me to think that it would spoil my photograph! Happily it moved on....

The return run down the WCML in the early evening sunshine was again
competently handled over the gradients. There was a water stop in the
Carnforth loop, where I understand on the following 'Moorlanders' the
switch back to the 47's occurred, but tonight we were with 45305 all the
way back to Preston, where the Black Five left the train to be replaced by the top 'n tail 47's, with 47 798 (above) leading.

 I was soon back at Wigan (above), and reversed my journey earlier that day, arriving back in Bangor at 22:04; the connections at Warrington and Chester were straightforward, with the journey time slightly faster than earlier. The 'new' car park on the down side in Bangor enables a speedy exit if required and I was away before the 175 had left for Holyhead.

Compass Tours are no strangers to North Wales, running 2-3 tours a year
from Holyhead. They seem to know their market and tap into it with
efficiency. The stewards are friendly and knew many of the passengers by their first name, so I guess that there were many regulars on their trains. I believe that all the scheduled 'Mersey Moorlander' trains ran as
advertised whereas some other similar trains from other tour operators were cancelled. A very enjoyable day out, and it is possible to join a railtour from North West Wales with all connecting travel by train! The North Wales Coast line is a regular host to railtours from all over the country, yet only a small number originate here - is the market not there?

[Note: Seats are still available on Compass Tours 'North Wales Scotsman' excursion from North Wales stations to Glasgow on Friday 7 September. Online booking is available.]

Timetable Twaddle

Have you ever written to a train company? Adam Barnad did when he discovered that even after being removed and uploaded again to the Arriva Trains Wales website, there were still discrepancies in the  company's timetable booklets. Adam writes:

The Monday to Friday 07:09 Birmingham International to Llandudno is noted as "To Llandudno Junction" in timetable 1 as opposed to "To Llandudno".

In both timetables 2 and 4 the new government-sponsored Premier train, the Monday to Friday 18:21 Cardiff to Holyhead is shown as having "An at seat service of cold snacks, sandwiches and hot and cold drinks is available for all or part of the journey" instead of "A restaurant (for 1st Class ticket holders) and a buffet service of hot snacks, sandwiches, hot and cold drinks are provided".

In timetable 2, the Monday to Friday 05:15 Holyhead to Birmingham Interntational via Crewe is not shown despite calling at all stations between Crewe and Shrewsbury, forming a vital early morning commuter service. The Monday to Friday 07:15 Holyhead to Birmingham Interntational via Crewe is shown, so the 05:15 needs to be shown also.
Here is the reply from Arriva Trains Wales Head of Marketing:
Regarding our September timetable information I note your comments and will investigate this as a matter of priority.  I hope you will be pleased to learn that some of this information has been updated since it was first produced and now appears in full in National Rail Enquiries information, at rail station retail outlets and website real-time timetable/booking systems. 

To this end, our customers will be able to find out about these services and book accordingly. Regrettably oversights can sometimes occur in these complex timetable production processes, despite our best efforts to get things right first time round.   It is interesting to note that, these days, more than six times the number of people use real-time systems on our website for timetable and booking information than rely on our printed booklets.  We have found that this digital real-time information offers superior capability in terms of keeping things up to date, speed of production and customer convenience and, as a result, is the preferred source for the majority of our passengers. 

Rest assured, we will however, continue to produce printed timetable booklets as these also offer an important source of information at our stations. In order to support the various challenges of printed timetable production our station and on-line booking information services are promoted extensively in our booklets and at-station posters, typically using the wording: ‘The information presented in this timetable was correct at the time of printing.  We aim to keep you informed of any changes at stations and on our website’.       

In addition, the September edition of the Timetable 2 booklet (South Wales to North Wales) that contains the Premier Service information, the relevant pages are headed:‘Summary of South Wales to North Wales Train Services’.  This heading is the only one of its type in our booklets and is intended to indicate that further detailed information is also available from Stations & other rail information points. I hope this provides you with an appropriate response to your comments.  Our aim is always to provide the most detailed, up-to-date and accurate information as is available to us. I apologise if, on this occasion, our efforts have not met your expectations.  This is clearly one for us to note and act on going forward.
So now you know. Don't rely on the company's publications. But perhaps the Head of Marketing should be told that information about any catering facilities on the train does not display when a train is located on the current version of the Journey Planner; the booklets (and the National Rail Timetable PDFs)  are the only place where this can be found.

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