The Wales and Borders 08:33 Manchester Piccadilly - Cardiff rolls through Holmes Chapel station on 10 November with 37 419 on the front and your compiler relaxing in the rear carriage. See stories below. (Picture by Steve Morris.)

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LAST UPDATE: 11 November 2001

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37 411 The Scottish Railway Preservation Society reversed its train from Crewe carriage sidings into platform 11 (always a dodgy exercise to me) to form the 07:57 to Cardiff, loco-hauled because of the Rugby match.  This shot shows it leaving on time for Cardiff.

43 014 trailed 43 161 out of platform 11 with the 05.45 Holyhead-London just as the morning sun was rising (!) to produce some rich colours on the stock.  90 223 was waiting in platform 12 with a Southbound freight.

37 419 arrived from Manchester into platform 6 and departed for Cardiff soon afterwards. The chap with the orange carrier bag looks familiar! [Here's the video clip I was making.- C.H.]

On now to Colwyn Bay and Penmaenhead to try out the telephoto again.  This time 47 785 Fiona Castle was in charge of the 13.35 Holyhead-London. Two Holyhead-London trains and two 37/4's in one day - can it get any better? - 11 November

Bringing back the fun - by Charlie Hulme

As a change from all the depressing situations reported here recently, I decided to get out of bed on the morning of Saturday 10 November and ride Wales and Borders Trains' 08:33 Manchester - Cardiff, which we were promised would be hauled by a Class 37/4: a promise which was fulfilled by one-time Coast regular 37 419 - seen above entering Stockport station with its train of six Mk 2a coaches. The first coach was in Regional Railways livery, and the other five in the blue and cream of the Forward Trust Rail charter fleet.

The train had departed from Platform 13 at Manchester Piccadilly, so nobody else had bothered to walk back to the rear coach which I had to myself - how's this for the way to travel? All the memories of happy days on the Coast line, especially in the days before the loco-hauled service built up the traffic after about 1995, came flooding back.

I alighted at Crewe, where as might be expected the train was admired by enthusiasts, but not as many as I had expected - are they all off searching for Voyagers? I joined contributor Ian Bowland for a chat and a coffee before heading back to Stockport: a more modern type of journey, crowded into the vestibule of an unspeakable 158 with some people whose idea of 10 am refreshment was a can of Guinness ... ah, well.

Back at Stockport station, 10:36, and a Virgin train to London propelled by 87 009 City of Birmingham. Unfortunately, this is the 09:36 running 60 minutes late! The announcer was trying to persuade people with seat reservations on the 10:36 not to board this train, but to wait for the real 10:36, which turned up 10 minutes later with Class 86 power and an 87 'dead inside.' As the Trent Valley route is closed for upgrading every weekend until after Christmas, and all trains are diverted via the Birmingham area, none of the passengers on either train could expect to reach London before 14:00.
 

As extra Class 323 electric units were required to work services to the Manchester United Football Ground, The Hazel Grove service was turned over to Class 101 diesel operation: The 10:17 Manchester - Hazel Grove, formed of 101 676, runs into Platform 1 at Stockport.

Later in the day, I travelled on the 14:26 Manchester - London, which was only about 8 minutes late on arrival at Macclesfield, as shown here - the locomotive is 90 029 Frachtverbindungen, on hire from EWS and still carrying its Deutsche Bahn livery applied by the British Rail freight sector in the early 1990s. It also still carries cast metal BR double-arrows and depot badges. - 10 November

I feel 'Kevin47449' makes some valid points on the state of toady's railway. I travelled on DMUs around Manchester in the days of steam and they represented a big dip in standards of passenger-comfort, as did the BR-built Mk.I coaches. The end of steam made no difference because second-class travel in the pre-1947 designed corridor coaches with their wood veneers and plush seats still remained a joy. However, when the pre-nationalised coaches went circa 1971, it was the end of rail travel as we had known it. Journeys from Abergele to Manchester in branchline DMUs were a pain (literally) and when loco-hauled trains did return using the dreaded Mk.Is, we thought how smashing it was when in fact we had accepted a lowering of standards. I sampled the delights of Sprinterisation with a journey to Blaenau on a brand new 150 and suffered travel-sickness on a train for the first time, had  bumpy journeys on flat-wheel 158s ( I still maintain the 156s are the best of the bunch) and looked on a unstaffed stations became less and less inviting.

Younger people will never know what it was like to travel by rail when travelling by train was an 'experience' quite different to other forms of travel, and only know of today's unreliable, expensive, cramped trains. Considering many people abandoned public transport in the 1960s at a time when 'public transport' still meant something, I am surprised people still choose to use it in 2001. It is said three times as much public money is invested in toady's railway system as was done when it was nationalized, but I cannot see three times more improvement. Trouble is, its not like the "old days" when we imagined the slow grinding street tram was somehow magic. Train travel was indeed great, comfortable, inexpensive, dependable, convenient, smoky, smelly, dusty but heck, it beat toady's rail experience! - 10 November

Following on from our comments on 47 705, we hear that Riviera Trains have now sold this locomotive, and it is to go to Brush Traction at Loughborough to be rebuilt with a General Motors engine as a Class 57/6. Familiar to North Wales Coast line observers in recent times from its duties as 'standby' locomotive at Chester in case of any failures of Class 175s, it was first given the name Guy Fawkes by Waterman Railways when it became clear to them that the 'exclusive right to run charter trains', which they thought they had bought from the Government along with a fleet of ageing rolling stock, turned out to be nothing of the sort. Surely this is the only loco to have been named after someone who was executed for treason? - 10 November

The pale Winter sun on 8 November caught the 8:35 London-Holyhead as it arrived at Crewe 30 minutes late in the form of 43 166 + 43 079.  It sat in platform 11 until 11.30 before leaving 45 minutes down. (Ian Bowland)

In happier days - by John Dawson

Just thought readers might like to see a study of ex-works 37 414Cathays C & W Works at Bangor waiting to reverse the stock into the tunnel to form the 09:13 Bangor to Crewe on Saturday 5 August 1995. 414 was shopped from Doncaster Works on 6 July 1995, so had only accumulated 4 weeks of dirt and grime at this stage.

27 414 ran out her final days on the Cardiff to Rhymney corridor before finally being withdrawn on 22 March 2000; a period of storage followed at Cardiff before a one way trip to Wigan CRDC. 414 is now currently being stripped of parts hopefully to resurrect 37 402 Bont Y Bermo which is still waiting material at Crewe, but more likely a butchering exercise. - 8 November

There's a Rugby international Saturday 10 November in Cardiff, so Wales and Borders will be running some of their trains loco-hauled:
07:57 Crewe - Cardiff
07:19 Crewe - Manchester Picc & 08:33 Manchester Picc - Cardiff
16:15 Cardiff - Crewe
16:45 Cardiff to Manchester
Both diagrams are apparently booked for 37/4's.

Thanks to Tim Rogers for this information. - 8 November

More about the Branch Line Society specials - by Andrew Macfarlane

The 8 December trip is now fully booked. There are still seats available on the identical 15 December tour. Gas Hill is handling the bookings. His address is 73 Norfolk Park Avenue, Sheffield, S2 2RB, tel 0114-275-2303.

Both tours will start from Manchester Piccadilly (unlike the 4th August tour) and will be limited to five hours so as to only use one set of traincrew. The plan is to travel via the Styal line and then to do the Crewe Independent lines, including the rare Gresty Lane "south to south west" curve, which has apparently not been done by a special train since 1967. This curve is the one which enables you to go from Basford Hall onto the Shrewsbury line. The train will reverse at Stafford and Nantwich (where Railtrack will man the ground frame which operates the crossover) but boarding will not be allowed at Stafford. Unlike the 4th August tour, the Middlewich British Salt siding does not feature in the itinerary. The tours return to Manchester Piccadilly.  - 8 November

The 9.19 Holyhead-London arrives at Crewe  15 minutes down on 8 November behind 47 806 which was superseded by 80 016Willesden Intercity Depot complete with its 1A shedplate above the nameplate.Picture by Ian Bowland. - 8 November

Andrew Rhodes writes: 'A slightly unusual event took place at Crewe Station on Monday 5th November. Due to problems with the overheads at Weaver Junction 47 843 dragged 86 207 on 1S49 11:04 Birmingham New Street - Edinburgh with 87 021 and 1S57 10:30 Euston Glasgow coupled to the back of it. The train stretched the full length of platform 12 and left at around 13:00 with some mighty 47 thrash! The train was split at Wigan where 843 took 1S49 to Preston and 87 021 carried on under its own power on 1S57. '

From Jim Ford: ' I was on the 06:41 ex Colwyn Bay to Euston on Monday 5 November and that it was quite an eventful journey.  I was already filled with anxiety when it pulled into Colwyn Bay with a 47 on front. [The booked HST had failed at Euston the night before, and this train was 'robbed' from the 09:19 Holyhead - London which was cancelled.]  However we proceeded on our way to Crewe, but shortly before arrival at Crewe the "train manager" announced that the train would be terminated at Crewe.  No explanation or anything. We were duly turfed out at Crewe to await the 8.09 to Euston.  Our empty stock was then removed in the direction of Manchester.

'I asked a member of Virgin staff on the 8:09, who was handing out claim forms, why the 06:41 had been terminated short.  She advised me that Virgin had discovered while the 06.41 was en route to Crewe that the stock was overdue maintenance.  This was because Virgin's SDC had been affected by the bomb in Birmingham.  I then sought an explanation of what an SDC is. Apparently it is a "Service Delivery Centre".  You and I would probably call it an "office". I also asked her whether this meant I had travelled on a potentially unsafe train between Colwyn Bay and Crewe.  Virgin obviously hadn't rehearsed the answer to that one as she waffled a bit. ...  End result: 1 hour and 9 minutes late getting to East Grinstead.'

PS.- we hear that 47 705 has recently had its Guy Fawkes nameplates removed! - 8 November

Sunny Rhyl in the glory days.  Locally shedded 44367 passes the shed - 6K - on  4  July 1953.  The WD 2-8-0 on the left is 90317.  The only point of reference now is the parish church on the horizon.  No 2
signalbox is hidden behind the loco. - 8 November

The performance figures for Wales and Borders' newly acquired line from Chester to Shrewsbury took a denting on Tuesday 6 November after a lorry struck a railway bridge near Cosford, causing cancellation of the 17:42, 18:35, 19:39 and 20:35 departures from Chester to Shrewsbury, all of which started up from Wrexham except the 20:35 which was cancelled throughout. Buses ferried passengers between Chester and Wrexham. This does little to enhance the view of W&B from the public's point of view, especially when they are advertising the line so heavily on local radio. Its a shame, because there is a lot of potential for the Wrexham to Chester line.

Elsewhere, a shortage of 175s led to a 150 + 158 combo on the 14:23 Birmingham to Holyhead. Oops. A failed Virgin train at Tipton delayed the 17:34 Birmingham to Holyhead by an hour after it had to reverse and run back to Wolverhampton via Soho, Perry Barr, Bescot, Portobello and Heath Town Junctions (Time for the Baker's atlas!) It looks like 175 002 wont be out for a while, it hasn't done any runs out since 1 November and remains on Chester TMD.

Also of interest (perhaps) was the Railtrack MPV sandite unit that was unable to get back to base at Wigan on the previous Saturday or Sunday night, so stabled in the parcels bay platform of Chester station overnight. The vehicle numbers of the "unit" concerned were 98909+98959 for the record. - 8 November

Freight report - by Sel Williams

Penmaenmawr Ballast:
66 602 on Saturday 03/11
66 602 on Monday 05/11
66 513 on Tuesday 06/11 with 20 JJA Railtrack Auto Ballasters
66 506 on Wednesday 07/11
66 506 on Thursday additional with 35 PNA wagons.
Next week's Ballast is booked  to run Monday 12th - Wednesday 14th with the possibility of an additional on Thursday 15. - 8 November

HST update - by Steve Vaughan

Thu 1 Nov: 43 099/079 1A23. 43 007/184 1D87/A70/D89.
Fri 2 Nov: 43 007/184 1A23/D90 from Crewe. 43 079/166 1D90 to Crewe. 43 099/157 1D87/A70/D89.
Sat 3 Nov: 43 099/157 1A01. 43 007/184 1A13/D88.
Sun 4 Nov: 43 007/184 5D60/1A61 - 1D89 Cancelled throughout due to the failure of 43 007 which decided its engine oil would look better decorating the outside of the stock rather than the inside of the engine. 43 079/166 1D87/A75.
Mon 5 Nov: 1A23 Loco Hauled (Re: 1D89 cancellation). 43079/166 1D87/A70/D89.
Tue 6 Nov: 43 079/166 1A23. 43 067/184 1D87/A70/D89.

Now it's not often that I stand up for Virgin but I feel that the comments on performance on Sunday 4 November were unfair. Firstly, the retimings were issued for both Sundays. At Llandudno Junction they were prominently displayed on notice boards. On the Internet, the train search facilities were giving the amended times and I had seen posters detailing the work on most stations. Given 1A61 was about 90% full I suggest most people had been made aware of the amendments. The moral of the story here I think is always double check times before you travel on a Sunday. Also as Virgin's control centre had been evacuated as a result of Saturday night's bomb in Birmingham I think they did a fair job of Sunday. - 8 November

On Monday 3 December Terry Sherliker will be addressing the Chester branch of the RCTS on "Living with the Coradia 175s". A brave man indeed! The venue is the Deva & Mail Sports and Social Club, Station Road, Chester (turn right outside the station, 100 metres on the left) and the meetings are from 19.45 to 22.20. Non-members are welcome. Further information from John Field on 01244-880019. - 8 November

47 854 at Bangor with the 09:19 Holyhead - London, 7 November. (Rowan Crawshaw)

Some thoughts on the railway system - a personal view  by 'Kevin47449'

Firstly ...  For First (or last on a few occasions) North Western. Every single day there seem to be Class 175 units failing somewhere on the network. Every time I've been out recently I've noticed a 150/156/158 covering on supposed 175 stronghold diagrams. Without any particular bias it is certain to say that the reliability (i.e. loco failure rate) on the supposedly elderly sub-standard loco hauled trains that once operated in the North West and North Wales was nothing like as bad as with the 175s (even after one takes into account the fact fewer loco hauled trains operated towards the end). Even if a locomotive were to fail at least it could often be more easily replaced at say Crewe or Chester rather cancelling a train altogether as is often the case with 175s (or putting passengers onto a sub-standard lower capacity unit). When a 175 fails between stations it often blocks up the line, in some cases quite severely - whereas older trains could be rescued far more easily.

Once again it is a classic case of something that is over complicated and riddled with design errors (computers and related technologies are always high risk on new trains). Simple but effective designs with less complicated technologies would prove far more effective than 'show-off' and flash joke-shop trains that seem to be the latest norm. Take a leaf out of the continent or areas of the world, where age and beauty of trains take second place to their practicality - can you imagine if the Orient Express became a Sprinter or Voyager style train for instance?  Until our railway follows such an example it is doomed to spiral into a bigger joke on a daily basis. Surely at least one company somewhere could turn things around and spark a revival - any takers to lead the way?  Anyone else dare to comment on this?

Secondly... For Virgin, who seem to consider the travelling public to be more similar to sheep or cattle. A lot of trains get retimed or altered regularly (especially at weekends) - but this is poorly advertised, sometimes not at all (as in the case of the Holyhead-London service last Sunday). Many other services into London were retimed due work on the Trent Valley section of the WCML, it seems many members of the public were unaware completely of this matter and in some cases missing last connections etc., luckily for some despite attempts to retime (with earlier starts) some southbound services to London on Sunday, these still generally left at their usual times despite being retimed! The Virgin timetable planners who tackle last-minute alterations need to consider if they are communicating effectively enough with the people who inform the public of alterations, as at present it seems like they are most certainly not doing.

As for 1D89 (London - Holyhead) on Sunday evening, cancelling such a busy service on a Sunday seems a complete stupidity on the part of Virgin control. If the HST was a failure there is an obvious answer - use a substitute loco hauled set (it can't be true that no spare sets are available on Sundays when diagrams are less intensive, indeed worth sacrificing a Euston-Wolverhampton service if need be, given the Holyhead service run by Virgin is considerably poorer yet well loaded on Sundays generally) - even if this was to mean loco change at Crewe or slight operational inconvenience, its not as if the idea hasn't been well-utilised when necessary in the past. Judging by the number of people travelling on replacement coaches for 1D89 on Sunday Evening, even just from Crewe, cancellation of the service showed extreme managerial incompetence. When Voyagers blitz the Coast services in the not too distant future, I can only feel sorry for the travelling public and the staff too who will have nothing short of an even more unpleasant experience, especially on weekends such as the one just gone.

The Virgin PR department haven't made much of the problems experienced with their new technological units, I've noticed: certain instances of reduced speed running and computer errors, e.g. doors not working properly. Leading to failures and delays of services (supposedly something only loco-hauled trains suffer from). Again I can only sympathise with the public who use them and staff who work on them, unlike the company managers and directors who spend greater quantities of time off the trains. Any further comments anybody? - 8 November

'The odd 150 is creeping into North Wales again....' 150 201 departs Manchester Oxford Road with the 08:18 Manchester Piccadilly - Llandudno, 6 November.

Monday Mayhem, and other Guy Fawkes Day stories

The missing Virgin on Sunday Night  (1D89) wasn't' t replaced by any empty stock moves to Holyhead so 1A46 09:19 Holyhead to Euston on Monday morning 5 November started from Crewe. 'Hippo' 175 113 disgraced itself on a Barrow to Manchester Airport service and was swapped into the 15:17 Manchester Piccadilly to Llandudno service at Manchester Oxford Road to get it back to Chester for repair. Unfortunately it failed completely before departure and ran empty to Chester, with 1D43 starting at Chester at 16:19 using 175 111.

The 14:23 Birmingham to Holyhead had 2 six cars 175 105 and 116 which had sticking hazard lights along the way to Holyhead, and wouldn't release the brakes at Holyhead leading to a 30 minute delay to 1G79 the 18:23 Holyhead to Birmingham.

A pair of Freightliner class 66s worked through Chester en route from Basford Hall to Llandudno Junction with a loaded 'autoballaster'  train. Loco 66 602 was leading and 66 518 on the back. They reversed Llandudno Junction at 22:50 and went onto the Blaenau branch dropping ballast as they went. Is  this  the first visit of Freightliner 66s to the Conwy Valley branch?  The ballast itself had, of course, originally come from nearby Penmaenmawr via a big pile at Crewe!

The Voyagers spotted on the Chester line at Crewe did indeed go to the International Electric Traction Depot for the show, by Monday they had returned to Barton depot. They ran on Sunday as 5Z23 09:00 Longsight to Crewe EITD, units being 220 005 & 016.

Special thanks to Dave Bramley, Nick Gurney, and John & "Zak" at the Junction. - 6 November

22 November 2001: The well known producer of PSOV products, Karl Jauncey, presents his preservation era recordings of steam action to the Merseyside Railway History Group at their venue in the United Reformed Church Hall, Meols Drive, West Kirby, Wirral. Proceedings start at 7.30pm. Visitors welcome to support this presentation. Details Peter Crouch on 0151 625 2241. - 6 November

On Thursday 8 November Dave Kaye, MD of First North Western,  will be speaking at a public meeting of the East Cheshire Line Rail Users Group in Macclesfield Library, starting at 7.30pm. The library is adjacent to Macclesfield Town Hall, five to ten minutes' walk up the hill from the station via Waters Green.  - 6 November

Sunday 'Fun'  - 4 November

With buses in operation between Chester and Crewe and the timetabled buses between Chester and Newton-le-Willows many passengers didn't know if they were coming or going! Only one 175 gave up, that was 175 105 on the 16:58 Bangor to Manchester which was replaced by 175 111 at Chester. Virgin however performed their 'usual cock-up routine' on the coast with both trains on the up to Euston being retimed earlier to go via Middlewich, 14:35 for the 15:29 and 16:42 for the 17:51 from Chester. It's a shame nobody from Virgin or National Rail Enquiries told the passengers..

At least 70 passengers arrived for the 17:51 departure and then had to be squeezed into a Chester City Transport double decker bus to Crewe at 17:40, by courtesy of First North Western who were providing the bus services. To make matters worse, the 18:45 Euston - Holyhead (1D89) was cancelled at Euston when both power cars failed. - 6 November

Reflecting the change in the franchise borders from 14 October, all the ex-Central Trains units operating on the now Wales & Borders Chester to Shrewsbury line have had their Central branding removed and Wales & Borders stickers put in its place already. [Photography, anyone?] - 6 November

£150,000 appeal to fix historic viaduct

Llangollen Railway Trust has launched a public appeal to raise £150,000 for urgent repair work to the historic Berwyn Viaduct in North Wales. It says  that the work must be done over the winter months so that the viaduct will be open again in time for the next year's tourist season. The picturesque, six arch viaduct is Grade II listed but its condition has deteriorated. Railway Trust spokesman Frank Spence said : "This is a major public appeal that must succeed to allow work to be completed this winter. Berwyn Viaduct and station must be one of the best-known locations on any preserved railway. We hope those familiar with the railway, and others who appreciate the value of restoring the past for the future, will be prepared to contribute generously to the appeal. We would also welcome offers of sponsorship from businesses of materials required for the work."

The Berwyn Viaduct  is situated immediately to the west of Berwyn Station, where the reinstatement of a former platform is also planned in order to allow longer trains to be accommodated. Mr Spence said that it would also improve "the ambience and authentic appearance" of the station and would complement the forthcoming refurbishment of the station. "The viaduct is a familiar sight to travellers on the A5 trunk road through North Wales and is situated in one of the finest locations to be found on any heritage railway in the UK." he explained.

But the Railway Trust says that it now needs financial support to ensure it continues to carry trains. It is asking its members, other railway enthusiasts and the general public to make the appeal a success so that they can restore the viaduct which is regarded as an essential and attractive feature of the railway. The £150,000 is needed to match-fund grants already promised and to allow it to be restored to its appearance before the removal of the platform extension by British Railways in the mid 1950s. The waterproof membrane beneath the track has failed which has allowed water seepage into the structure, which has affected  the masonry. Its condition has been monitored and design work for water proofing and repairs - together with the platform reinstatement - has been completed and agreed by the Railway Inspectorate.

When completed, it should mean that the viaduct will need only routine maintenance for the next 30 years. "The Railway Trust has set a target for £150,000 that must be achieved to allow the works to be completed before the main running season for the year 2002 commences. It is therefore imperative donations are forthcoming now." The work will involve removal of the railway track and installation of the new water-proof membrane, which is expected to take about a month. The viaduct sides will also be stitched and masonry repaired.  Donations can be sent to the Llangollen Railway Trust Ltd, Berwyn Viaduct Appeal, National Westminster Bank plc, Llangollen. - 6 November

Mostyn 1977

Five months to go before its first exhibition, and these pictures by Dave Skipsey show the current status of the ambitious Merseyside Model Railway project to build a 4mm P4 exhibition model of the North Wales Coast line at Mostyn as it stood in 1977. Many more pictures can be found on the regularly-updated Merseyside MRS website.

It is planned to run only trains which are authentic for the 1977 period: project member Richard Oldfield writes about Larry Goddard's Class 24 picture from the last Noticeboard: 'It's nice to see a photograph based in 1977. We will be able to run a good equivalent of Larry Goddard's prototype on Mostyn since we have already built a 24/0 (24.047) and over 50 16T Minerals in both original and re-bodied versions. The write-up for the Minerals was published in Railway Modeller in 1999/2000.'

Richard welcomes any information on 1977 workings: email Richardoldfield@btinternet.com. - 6 November

The former  24 061, renumbered to 97 201 and named Experiment is seen stabled at Crewe Gresty Lane on 12th May 1987.  This loco and train was used by the BR Research Department based at Derby. Withdrawn from normal service on 10 August 1975 it went to Derby Works and at first became TDB 968007 when it was transferred to departmental stock. The following July its number was altered to RDB 968007. It was withdrawn for the second time on 18 December 1978 and transferred to the Railway Technical Centre, Derby, being renumbered 97 201 on 18 August 1979 and named Experiment in June 1980. Withdrawn for the third time on 4 December 1987, it moved to Vic Berry's scrapyard at Leicester in July 1988, but was saved for preservation. After residence at a couple of other preservation sites, it arrived at the North York Moors Railway (Thanks to their Website for the information) in 1994 and remains there today; it featured it a famous advert for KitKat which some readers might recall.

The loco was recently chosen by Rail Express magazine as their latest limited edition 4mm scale model, shown here posing (without the separate detailing parts fitted) on Nick Gurney's layout. This model was strictly limited to 750 models and quickly sold out. - 6 November

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